tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713231510890712652.post4586892379955824965..comments2024-03-02T08:27:42.344+00:00Comments on Theological Scribbles: Reading Lamentations (extract from commentary)Robin Parryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08856329564156757485noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713231510890712652.post-59975261628080909362011-04-14T14:11:32.772+01:002011-04-14T14:11:32.772+01:00cytokine,
I did do the translation. I don't h...cytokine,<br /><br />I did do the translation. I don't have strong views on the normal English translations (I have not really looked at them for quite a while). All of them are mostly OK. My translation errs on the more literal side so some may find it wooden.<br /><br />RobinRobin Parryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08856329564156757485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713231510890712652.post-1847294052806520452011-04-14T01:43:18.213+01:002011-04-14T01:43:18.213+01:00Did you do the translation of Lamentations that is...Did you do the translation of Lamentations that is in your commentary?<br /><br />I was wondering which English translation of Lamentations you have read and found most accessible?cytokinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13220969110970250941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713231510890712652.post-88361600520074888912011-04-14T01:41:34.441+01:002011-04-14T01:41:34.441+01:00Did you do the translation of Lamentations that is...Did you do the translation of Lamentations that is in your commentary?cytokinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13220969110970250941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713231510890712652.post-68425436107146208152010-11-17T12:46:51.778+00:002010-11-17T12:46:51.778+00:00Now these extensions in the NT are popping up all ...Now these extensions in the NT are popping up all over the place:<br /><br />OT:<br /><br />Isaiah 45 : 22 - 25<br /><br />[22] “Turn to me and be saved,<br />all the ends of the earth!<br />For I am God, and there is no other.<br />[23] By myself I have sworn;<br />from my mouth has gone out in righteousness a word that shall not return:<br />‘To me every knee shall bow,<br />every tongue shall swear allegiance.’<br /> <br />[24] “Only in the LORD, it shall be said of me,are righteousness and strength;<br />to him shall come and be ashamed<br />all who were incensed against him.<br />[25] In the LORD all the offspring of Israel shall be justified and shall glory.”<br /><br />Now look at Paul's loose quotation of this passage, and the wonderful additions he makes.<br /><br />Philippians 2 : 10 – 11<br /><br />[10] so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, <br />[11] and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713231510890712652.post-22087295320756024552010-11-15T17:36:03.145+00:002010-11-15T17:36:03.145+00:00Ah, right, that's when it actually hits the st...Ah, right, that's when it actually hits the streets. Seems quite clear, now that it's explained!<br /><br />Thanks for initiating this work. I'm looking forward to it. Ordering it NOW!Nicolasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713231510890712652.post-65216265173808442342010-11-15T17:19:10.219+00:002010-11-15T17:19:10.219+00:00Nicolas
Here is what the publisher said when I as...Nicolas<br /><br />Here is what the publisher said when I asked:<br /><br />"the 'street date' is the actual date that a publication goes live in our system, verses whatever official publication date that we assign to a new publication."<br /><br />So you can buy it now.<br /><br />Pax<br /><br />RobinRobin Parryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08856329564156757485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713231510890712652.post-7877956057285252332010-11-15T11:36:04.472+00:002010-11-15T11:36:04.472+00:00Sorry, my mistake,
it's for "All Shall b...Sorry, my mistake,<br /><br />it's for "All Shall be Well" that these two dates appear on the W&S website:<br /><br />Publication Date: 01/01/2011<br />Street Date: 10/22/2010<br /><br />"Street date" sounds like illegal pre-publication copies being sold at street markets around the world!<br /><br />We have to put a stop to this!!<br /><br />Rgds.Nicolasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713231510890712652.post-67285416947133508002010-11-13T11:04:53.624+00:002010-11-13T11:04:53.624+00:00Thanks Anonymous
I won't spoil the commentary...Thanks Anonymous<br /><br />I won't spoil the commentary but I do think that we are called to learn from biblical writers ways to read Scripture . So I do think that "extension reading" is one of the ways we should be reading Lamentations and I think that the Rev examples you provide do illustrate that.<br /><br />Thanks very much<br /><br />RobinRobin Parryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08856329564156757485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713231510890712652.post-76283912855456811752010-11-13T00:14:40.712+00:002010-11-13T00:14:40.712+00:00You write:
" ... how should Israel’s sacred t...You write:<br />" ... how should Israel’s sacred texts be interpreted by this new community of Jesus? In the same way that Israel had always reinterpreted its own texts – in the light of the current thing that God was doing."<br /><br />I wonder if this is exactly the same as the reinterpretation, and further development, we see in the Book of Revelation's use of the OT:<br /><br />There are two examples that really inspire me because of the way Revelation makes an OT quote even more universal.<br /><br />Is 43:19 <br />Behold I am doing a new thing (LXX Greek: idou ego poio kaina)<br />becomes in Rev 21:5 <br />Behold I am making all things new (NT Greek: idou kaina poio panta)<br />where the addition of "all things" (panta) really universalizes it.<br /><br />The other example is Ezek 47:12<br />... their leaves will be for healing.<br />becomes in Rev 22:2<br />the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.<br /><br />I think I got these examples from The Evangelical Universalist :)<br /><br />Anyways, there seems to be real development afoot in Revelations. Are we called to do the same sort of "extention work" in reading Lamentations?<br /><br />Well, I'll find out when I read your book, unless you want to give me a quick answer?!<br /><br />I also like:<br /><br />"The book is simply so pregnant with potential that the meanings to which it gives birth will be diverse even within the constraints imposed by canonical context, the Rule of Faith and the history of Christian interpretation."<br /><br />"... an art not a science ..."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713231510890712652.post-53954938757108446512010-11-11T19:55:55.943+00:002010-11-11T19:55:55.943+00:00I have no idea. The book is published and availabl...I have no idea. The book is published and available (the 1/1/11 date is presumably mistaken)Robin Parryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08856329564156757485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713231510890712652.post-61368738036955956172010-11-11T19:52:45.258+00:002010-11-11T19:52:45.258+00:00I would like to get this book. I see the web site...I would like to get this book. I see the web site two dates:<br />Publication Date: 01/01/2011<br />Street Date: 10/22/2010<br /><br />What are these? I've never seen that before!Nicolasnoreply@blogger.com